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Abedeus · Nov 21, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Faer

If you're skilled, go play with other skilled players.

Can't. There are few kinds of skilled players.

1. Guild people that are ZOMG YOU ARE NOT IN MY GUILD GTFO.
2. People with r6 which took them 3 years using zergways, ritspikes and other crap and they think they have skill, anyone that doesn't want to play their teambuild doesn't have skill at all.
3. SOME players that might give a chance, but usually thanks to Karma there is at least 1 quitter in the team, people start going away from team and... yeah, team falls apart.
4. My favorite kind. All good players I knew either quit or sold their r9 accounts.

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If you're not, go play with scrubs and learn and/or earn the skill you need

That's kind of impossible. Good players don't learn with scrubs. They learn with themselves. That's why usually H/H's are better then PuGers.

Faer · Nov 21, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Can't.

Everyone who knows what they are talking about knows that even an unranked player can get into R12 groups if they prove to a few OMFG PVP ELITIST SO MEAN people that they aren't bad at the game. Ask Auron, if you want confirmation. If you are skilled, you can get into a group regardless of rank. If you are not skilled, you will need the rank to get into a group asking for that rank. That's how it works.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

That's why usually H/H's are better then PuGers.

So I heard you can H/H in HA now.

OH SORRY I FORGOT THIS WAS A THREAD FOR PVERS TO DISCUSS WAYS THEY CAN GET PVP REWARDS EASILY MY BAD.

While we're at it, 7 Heroes to a party, and no Hero limits in HA. That should fix everything right up for you guys.

Orange Milk · Nov 21, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Imo a weekend when Hero titles can't be shown and /ranks don't work either. This was people would maybe stop looking at few digits under someone's name and notice that a lot or r0-r3 players (well, I'm r3, but still...) just don't find it fun to grind HA non-stop for 5 hours to get few faction points.

What would be the point of that?

As soon as a, how should I phrase this, "HA Noob" gets acepted into a group and is asked to "ping build" and the build has 2 PvE only skills in it you know he/she is a noob.

Along those lines, when asked to change their build and they refuse saying this build is great, they get the boot. Yes, PvE types do this AND they don't listen when you tell them "Pacifism doesn't work here" they deny and tell you to let them try it, they will PROVE it works.

Contiuning on, You will get, on occasion, a PvEer who does listen, however when asked to change thier build, they reply "I only have 4 of those unlocked" OR "I'm set up for Fire and I don't have the runes/armor to run water" to which we reply "Can you roll a PvP only?" to their retort of "Nope, no slots and I'm not deleting a PvE toon, I just love them all too much"

Here's my altime fav, when asked "Do you have Vent?" They reply "Not unlocked yet, but Chaos Storm works really well so need for vent in this build"

So in the end after all that they only thing you have to say to them is "What shape is Italy?" they reply "A boot" and thats what you give them.

So you see, even if no one can show a title or /rank, people will know whos high ranked and whos not. If you want a fancy mote and hundreds of fame, work for it, don't "Mommy dis to hard, make easy for me" Roll a PvP only, listen to the experienced folks, pay attention, learn, get Ventrilo, and most importantly STFU and know your roll.

Also, don't spend your faction on "OMG I haz to get Ztitle Emote!!!!" and get all the skills unlocked instead.

Tyla · Nov 21, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

So in the end after all that they only thing you have to say to them is "What shape is Italy?" they reply "A boot" and thats what you give them.

I lol'd irl. Kudos to you, sir.

Winterclaw · Nov 21, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Faer

PvE players who want PvP rewards should learn to PvP instead of asking for it to be made easier for them to get the rewards that people who know what they are doing put a lot of time and effort into obtaining.

Okay, since you and everyone else seems to be so narrow mindedly hung up on rewards, let's throw that completely off of the table for the moment. No extra rewards. Since Guild Wars was supposed to be a PvP game, how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

Faer · Nov 21, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

I'd say "make it balanced", but everybody knows all PvE players care about is loot, so who are we trying to kid here?

But yeah. If it wasn't about the phat lewts (which it is), I'd say make it balanced. That way all the unique little snowflakes could run whatever they want and have a slightly lower chance of being rolled by gimmicks, though they'd still get stomped by better players in most cases because they REFUSE TO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES RAGERAGERAGERAGE.

Seriously now, and this is a bit off topic, but honestly, if you keep getting curbstomped in less than 90 seconds, WHY KEEP DOING THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER? People need to pay attention, holy shit.

Abedeus · Nov 21, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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If you are skilled, you can get into a group regardless of rank.

In which universe? Infinite Earth?

Orange: You are talking about a PvE scrub. One that fails even in PvE NM.

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work for it

I'm sorry I thought I'm too young for a job. Especially if it's not paid.

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Roll a PvP only, listen to the experienced folks, pay attention, learn, get Ventrilo, and most importantly STFU and know your roll.

Thanks to people like you, less talented players don't try to visit PvP and do something requiring brain cells.

Just FYI, I do have 1 perma-monk PvP and 1 another slot for PvP-only chars, that I rotate constantly every few days or hours if it's necessary.

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Contiuning on, You will get, on occasion, a PvEer who does listen, however when asked to change thier build, they reply "I only have 4 of those unlocked" OR "I'm set up for Fire and I don't have the runes/armor to run water" to which we reply "Can you roll a PvP only?" to their retort of "Nope, no slots and I'm not deleting a PvE toon, I just love them all too much"

Well, personally I would wound people like that one.

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What would be the point of that?

It would at least for 2,5 days stop the idiots screaming "R4++++ for ritspike!!! r3?!?!? NO WAI NUBZZ!!!" without even looking at a (correct) build.

Or idiots that kick out right after pinging the wrong build, where only 1-2 skills are bad, and don't even ask to change them. Especially if those skills aren't idiotic, for example if someone took Glyph of Lesser Energy instead of Glowing Gaze in a SF team in the old days. Sure, it doesn't work AS well as GG for a longer run, but it's not stupid enough to get insta-kick.

Faer · Nov 21, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

In which universe?

Hey bro, not my fault you personally aren't good enough to do it. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

the_jos · Nov 21, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Since Guild Wars was supposed to be a PvP game, how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

I don't want that.
PvE and PvP players think different.
As Faer stated, for PvE players it's all about 'phat lewts'.
Does someone RA, TA, HA or GvG because of phat lewts? Doubt that.
They play against other humans because it's competitive.
That's a mindset you either have or don't have.

Let's assume I'm the guild leader of a medium sized PvE guild.
And I want to bring that competitive element in my guild.
So I start dictating builds, demand certain professions, ask players to be online at certain times so we can practice. I think I will be the leader of a guild of one in days. But that's exactly what you need when you are serious on competitive play.

And why I don't want those PvE players in PvP?
It's no fun playing against them. At first it's fun when you whipe a team in seconds. But after a couple of times it's just grind. Like those annoying foes in PvE that pop up every time you walk past a spot and only hinder you to get to the next challenge. If they would just adjust strategy, pop up somewhere else or even decide to suicide and take my team down with them. But no, each and every time is the same.

Games are fun when you are about on the same level as your opponent.
Or when you see that your opponent isn't that good but is at least trying to adjust gameplay to see if other strategies work against you.
This is not only in GW, but also with games like playing cards or chess.
But you need the will to win, to learn from mistakes and to adapt gameplay.
And in GW also the will to get down from your throne and be 'just' a member of a team instead of the hero who saved the world.
And it's something I think a lot of PvE players just don't have.

Mind you that this is not meant offensive towards PvE players.
It's just that they play a different kind of game with different goals.

AKB48 · Nov 21, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

Actually it's possible, i was nice and friendly to a number of people, most of them are still on my friends list - if i ask occasionally to join their HA group or vanquish with them they're more than happy to let me

Just don't be a whiner or a jackass and you'll be fine

occasionally bro, that means they may not deem you good, just nice and "good enough to pass". They may not necessary consider you the person to pick if you were just among 10 thousand other "low ranks".

NoXiFy · Nov 22, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Stupid Shizno

thats cause your brave lemming

guru is not full of brave strong people

asfar as rank goes......whens the last time anyone in pvp cared about rank? the game is so dead everyone knows everyone. if pvp dosnt know you, you suck or ebayed.

speaking of unknowns, whoru? jk <3 you simmons

Abedeus · Nov 22, 2008, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Faer

Hey bro, not my fault you personally aren't good enough to do it. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

See here's the problem, idiots in HA assume anyone below their rank is automatically worse just because he hasn't spent all his free time farming sway.

Lyynyyrd · Nov 22, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

See here's the problem, idiots in HA assume anyone below their rank is automatically worse just because he hasn't spent all his free time farming sway.

Took me a few hours to get from R0-R3.

Go to HA and TALK to players, show that you are interested in learning, maybe they'll take you along.

Abedeus · Nov 22, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Too bad often people that try to teach know less than I do. And the only reason they are "better" is because they "HAV BIGGAR RANK STFU NOOB".

Like there's a difference between r3 sway and r6 sway. Hell, once with my guild we managed to beat a r6-r9 group while only me and one friend had a rank, rest of the team was r0-r1.

Faer · Nov 22, 2008, 11:26 AM // 11:26

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

idiots in HA

Entirely irrelevant given that we were discussing skilled players getting into skilled groups, not skilled players getting into high ranked groups of bumbling morons.

the_jos · Nov 22, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

It's not only about being good (skilled) enough.
A part of things is about visibility. You need either an established reputation or be an active player to be recognised as being skilled.
And the right players need to see your potential and help you achieve that.
I think that's a problem for many PvP players.

However, a huge part of that problem can be solved by the player him/herself.
Play a lot, be visible, stick out of the group in a positive way.
It's not that all skilled players only team up with other skilled players.
Or they don't recognise certain names if they bump into them every time.
It's no coincidence that I have played a couple of rounds HA and GvG with Ryan (he was one of the founding members of LotU and helped us out in our PvP period) and Simmons remembers me even though we only had a brief encounter over a year ago. And I'm not even a PvP player

If you think you are skilled enough to play with other skilled players, invest some serious time in that part of the game and prove your value.
If you are really as skilled as you think you are, you will be noticed or have the possibility to team up with skilled players. You just need to invest time in it.

SniperF0x · Nov 22, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52

1337 guide on how to get your bambi.

Look up a pug build on pvxwiki.com
Spam GLF ... in all chat.
???
Win

It'll take a while - especially forming groups. But you'll get some PvP and leadership experience in the mean time. Getting r3 with pugs is just proof that you don't fail and whine all day that you can't get into r9+ groups without any PvP experience at all.

Either that or buy your fame and fail.

Sadchaos · Nov 22, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

If your a pve player, and in a pve guild, get other people in your guild who want to get into pvp also, look up a build on pvxwiki and learn to (if your not already) work together. With that guild, if you guys get good, should not be impossible to get fame. Of course your going to fail the first few times, but your only limiting yourself if you stop and quit.

newbie_of_doom · Nov 22, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

and then there were no opponents

Orange Milk · Nov 24, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw
how would you get people who mostly PvE interested in PvP?

Eliminate Titles, and add gold/super awsome rare leet drops to PvP rewards in all formats, not just HoH.

It used to be that once a PvEer had done alot of the PvE content the natural progression would be to PvP. Now ANet has added the HoM and the threat that "If you don't max these titles and fill that HoM you'll be left out in GW2"

PvEers now grind out Titles and farm for gold to fill their hall when they have an hour or two to play insead of trying out some PvP. And with the addition of Uber OP PvE only skills and Consets and Heros, PvE land is really easy as uposed to the difficulty of PvP.

Not to mention it takes very little time to set up an H/H team and go one to victory in PvE than it does to set up a team in PvP and go on to victory. But honestly thats beside the point.

Fact is as long as the title grind/HoM is out there PvErs aren't going to waste their time PvPing. 1/2 spent trying to find a group in HA, then another 15 minutes for 3 straight losses and the group falling apart and getting no reward is a waste to a PvEer. I mean come on, that time could have been spent on a vanquish for lots of reward (i.e Gold, Exp, Rep Faction, title maxing)